What a complete and utter shit-show
Haven't read the thread since the final whistle as I am so pissed off. What a complete and utter shit-show.
OK, there were some positives, our D was great and Nugget, Reece, Bower & Scooter played their socks off and the team really fought back in the 1st half. Players showing some leadership and stepped up after the kick to the corner
But bugger me, we seemed to go into the 2nd half with our heads somewhere in cloud 9. What the fuck did the coaching staff say to the players at half-time as our momentum went backwards fucking quickly.
Our kick and chase game was awful and ended up gifting possession and putting us on the back foot. Ireland targeted our mid-field after last week (who'd have thunk that). Then we saw the same old pattern we've seen since 2017 - promising moves or periods of the game fucked up by silly mistakes, helter-skelter passing everywhere. And as for Ardie's leaving the field, WTF?
You could pass some of this shit off last week with all the injuries & Covid stuff if we didn't play so well - but we did - so we can omit that excuse. Cane played poorly today but we've had exactly the same problems under Read, Ardie & Sam. There was so much that was bad that you lose track of them.
Maybe it isn't just a coaching issue and it's a head-space, culture thing but the current set-up just isn't addressing the problems of playing thru periods of pressure, and playing consistently in more than a game in a row and we sure as heck aren't moving in the right direction.
Fuck me, i'm angry and frustrated as we prove time and time again we can play really, really well but we are on a treadmill of constant fuck-ups, poor discipline by the players and directionless tactics and play.
You know, I really don't know if this is Foster's fault, and I'm beyond blaming any one person, but he really, really isn't the answer.
Yours, Angry of Cornwall
(Rant over)
@Damo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I don't rule out the possibility NZR might ask Foster to go. That was a pretty shambolic performance. A repeat next week and/or in the RC and Robertson might sweep in.
Schmidt is already in the system, might agree to an interim head coach role. NZR could see this a way to save a little face.
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We've now lost four of the last six tests. Dump these clown coaches, and chop the deadwood from the team.
Shit when you put it like that it's pretty fucken bad. Worst since 98?
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
and chop the deadwood from the team.
Which players are deadwood in your opinion?
@Frank said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
and chop the deadwood from the team.
Which players are deadwood in your opinion?
Taylor, Cane and BBBR have a lot of work to do.
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Worst All Blacks Coach Ever.
Let’s be fair, worst coaching team. I don’t even think Foster is the worst on the team. They have Mooar remember.
Only because Foster couldn't get anyone else to join.
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Worst All Blacks Coach Ever.
Let’s be fair, worst coaching team. I don’t even think Foster is the worst on the team. They have Mooar remember.
I remember too many Chiefs games and squad selections to be fair or to agree.
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I hate this
Innate to day the Crusaders team would be an improvement on this dross.
They would at least have been able to get the ball to Mo'unga and Jordan.
Mo'unga had 30 odd minutes and didn't do a fucking thing. Because our 10s aren't the problem, our coaching group is. Absolutely brainless performance, made all the worse as we have both Razor and Rennie, NZers, that would love to coach the ABs, and one is stuck in SR and the other we let go overseas. Picking Foster as the head coach after Hansen was fucking insane at the time, and after loses to Argentina and Ireland at home in amongst other dross served up by a talented group of players, is even more insane now in hindsight. Jobs for fucking mates and we're paying the price.
I'm not too worried about losing Rennie tbh, not saying he is a bad coach but he doesn't seem to have (so far) catalysed the Wallabies?
The Wallabies are showing signs of improving and building towards something. Might this be the year the ABs and Wallabies trajectories cross over?
Statistically it is due
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Damo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I don't rule out the possibility NZR might ask Foster to go. That was a pretty shambolic performance. A repeat next week and/or in the RC and Robertson might sweep in.
They have investors to keep happy now
Investors will be happy. Interest in playing the ABs has skyrocketed as tier 1 and tier 2 teams sense their opportunity….
Investors will be laughing all the way to the bank
Maybe this is part of the strategic objectives for the NZRU
@Frank said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
and chop the deadwood from the team.
Which players are deadwood in your opinion?
Retallick
Taylor
Cane
all should have to earn their jerseys back.
Cane won’t be the next coaches captain, so as soon as Fozzie gets fired, Cane will be axed (for better or worse).
@chimoaus Only Taukei'aho is better than Taylor. Coles breaks all the time and is old, Aumua not up to it. Too soon for Thompson, too late for Eklund. Who would you bring in as replacements?
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Frank Taylor, Retallick, Cane.
Ha ha, snap.
Maybe Stuart Barnes was right about Cane ?
@Frank said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
and chop the deadwood from the team.
Which players are deadwood in your opinion?
Ofa.
Taylor.
Sowakula.
Retallick.
Leicester.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@chimoaus Only Taukei'aho is better than Taylor. Coles breaks all the time and is old, Aumua not up to it. Too soon for Thompson, too late for Eklund. Who would you bring in as replacements?
Taylor can be the sub then. Earn the no.2
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@chimoaus Only Taukei'aho is better than Taylor. Coles breaks all the time and is old, Aumua not up to it. Too soon for Thompson, too late for Eklund. Who would you bring in as replacements?
That is the issue isn't it. ST should be starting with Taylor or Coles on the bench.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
and chop the deadwood from the team.
Which players are deadwood in your opinion?
Ofa.
Taylor.
Sowakula.
Retallick.
Leicester.
Leicester had a bad night. Happens early in test career. He'll be ok. Same with Sowakula.
Older ABs are creaking
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We've now lost four of the last six tests. Dump these clown coaches, and chop the deadwood from the team.
That’s terrible…if it were true ?
It’s 4 of the last 7 against Ireland. That includes tonight.
Dunedin 2022 - Ireland
Auckland 2022 - ABs
Dublin 2021 - Ireland
Yokohama 2019 - ABs
Dublin 2018 - Ireland
Dublin 2016 - ABs
Chicago 2016 - Ireland
So based on that pattern, we win next week ?
christ I'm really pissed off.
Foster, Mooar and McLeod can fuck off. They aren't a coach's arsehole. We've seen it for some time, this is the red card that highlights the lack of quality coaching. These guys are idiots;
Rope in any decent coach, grab Henry Hansen and Schmidt as advisers, and win some fucking test matches.
Nervous about the Aussies right now.
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Frank Taylor, Retallick, Cane.
Ha ha, snap.
Maybe Stuart Barnes was right about Cane ?
I love him, but he just looks slow.
He’s working his ass off, but he’s not impactful and won’t be a better player next year. It’s not that he’s a poor player, he’s just no longer the best 7 in the country.
He would be in the squad and he can help to develop Dalton, but he shouldn’t be captain and most likely shouldn’t be starting.
@ACT-Crusader Four of the last six against all opposition.
Ireland loss
Ireland win
France loss
Ireland loss
Wales win
SA loss
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
and chop the deadwood from the team.
Which players are deadwood in your opinion?
Ofa.
Taylor.
Sowakula.
Retallick.
Leicester.Leicester had a bad night. Happens early in test career. He'll be ok. Same with Sowakula.
Older ABs are creaking
Trouble is QT, LF, PGS collectively made a number of mistakes. We needed them to hold the ball. Make their tackles etc. Test Match rugby requires less mistakes. Don’t think it was good enough.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
christ I'm really pissed off.
Foster, Mooar and McLeod can fuck off. They aren't a coach's arsehole. We've seen it for some time, this is the red card that highlights the lack of quality coaching. These guys are idiots;
Rope in any decent coach, grab Henry Hansen and Schmidt as advisers, and win some fucking test matches.
Nervous about the Aussies right now.
Hansen told NZRU to select Foster. How exactly do you think he would get the coaching team to change?
@JayCee said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Italy and the US
Tier 2 doesn't count. Wales were included.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We've now lost four of the last six tests. Dump these clown coaches, and chop the deadwood from the team.
That’s terrible…if it were true ?
It’s 4 of the last 7 against Ireland. That includes tonight.
Dunedin 2022 - Ireland
Auckland 2022 - ABs
Dublin 2021 - Ireland
Yokohama 2019 - ABs
Dublin 2018 - Ireland
Dublin 2016 - ABs
Chicago 2016 - IrelandSo based on that pattern, we win next week ?
If ABs lose the series, is that the "fall on the sword" moment for Foster?
@JayCee said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim you're missing out Italy and the US
Because they are tier 2 nations ?
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We've now lost four of the last six tests. Dump these clown coaches, and chop the deadwood from the team.
That’s terrible…if it were true ?
It’s 4 of the last 7 against Ireland. That includes tonight.
Dunedin 2022 - Ireland
Auckland 2022 - ABs
Dublin 2021 - Ireland
Yokohama 2019 - ABs
Dublin 2018 - Ireland
Dublin 2016 - ABs
Chicago 2016 - IrelandSo based on that pattern, we win next week ?
If ABs lose the series, is that the "fall on the sword" moment for Foster?
ha ha ha ha yeah right
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Frank Taylor, Retallick, Cane.
Ha ha, snap.
Maybe Stuart Barnes was right about Cane ?I love him, but he just looks slow.
He’s working his ass off, but he’s not impactful and won’t be a better player next year. It’s not that he’s a poor player, he’s just no longer the best 7 in the country.
He would be in the squad and he can help to develop Dalton, but he shouldn’t be captain and most likely shouldn’t be starting.
I rate him as an All Black and don't anyone else would do better as Captain, but I have to question his quality of play. Whether it's the balance of the loose trio or he's longer got it, he just doesn't have the impact he once did
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@JayCee said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim you're missing out Italy and the US
Because they are tier 2 nations ?
I'll take these wins when I can these days.
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We've now lost four of the last six tests. Dump these clown coaches, and chop the deadwood from the team.
That’s terrible…if it were true ?
It’s 4 of the last 7 against Ireland. That includes tonight.
Dunedin 2022 - Ireland
Auckland 2022 - ABs
Dublin 2021 - Ireland
Yokohama 2019 - ABs
Dublin 2018 - Ireland
Dublin 2016 - ABs
Chicago 2016 - IrelandSo based on that pattern, we win next week ?
If ABs lose the series, is that the "fall on the sword" moment for Foster?
Nah we are stuck with Foster to after the WC even if we lose the series to Ireland lose to SA in SA and lose to the Wallabies.
Which all could happen.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
If Foster doesn't resign now what happens if we lose to Oz and Sa in the Championship. At what point do they make a change.