Do NZ need Schmidt's structure?
As an Irish fan I didn’t see Schmidt’s highly prescriptive and structured gameplan being a good fit for the ABs, but after watching the last couple of games, and also the Autumn tests, I’m beginning to think that it might be exactly what they need.
The talent is there, but unlike previous AB sides there didn’t seem to be an appreciation that hard work needs to be done, and maintained for 80 minutes before you can start dreaming of record scores. The first half performance had a feeling of complacent side that assumed that the proper order would be restored simply because that’s what always happened. If Schmidt is appointed in a coaching roll a lot of those players are going to get a very rude awakening.
As an Irish fan I feel the Irish response in the second half was real proof of how the sides belief and discipline has developed way beyond what we thought was possible. Halfway through I was also guilty of believing that normal order was about to be restore,and that a massive collapse was looking inevitable, so to go on and win the game by 10 points was the stuff of dreams.
We have always believed NZ to be the ultimate test, and for us a series win won’t change that belief, so to go into your backyard and perform like this is unbelievable. I think I’m still in shock from last week to be honest, and I intend to really savour watching the game again, this time sitting on the sofa rather than hiding behind it.
The squad needs a coaching and culture change, but I believe that NZ has the players to turn this around for the RWC next year. They’ll need to because it is probably going to be the most competitive one we’ll have seen, with France, SA, England & Aus all improving, and with Ireland and Wales also having a big say.
F%@k it, I’m going to get monstrously pissed.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Chris Okay. At least we performed in week one. Not a selector yet. Hard to say if he had any control!
Clean sweep for me then if The new coach wants Schmidt involved but he has been around about.
I would like a new coaching team start again.
@Frye said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frye said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Can't give benefits of the doubt any more. Hope Joe Schmidt gets quick promotion to head coach now.
Our hooker and midfield selections backfired unsurprisingly in my view. Outside the 50 22 Havili seemed just as pressured as Rieko all night. Taylor again failed to deliver. And the bench did not work. Needed more direction and intelligence when Smith and Cane went off but we seemed far more disorganised. Vaii gave it his all. But what was RTS there for?
Sure as hell hope we see Jordie at 12 Jordan at 15 and Rieko and Reece on the wing. Our kicking and kick chase so poor and we seem to have lost our connectivity on counter-attack.
Gibson Park and Beirne best on the park for me. Well done Ireland!Schmidt is a selector and mentor to Foster so he is responsible for some of this crap over the last 2 weeks.
Lol what
He is in camp isn’t he,coaching in a role so he is part of this fuck show.
He takes over from Fox as a selector after this game. He was only involved as a coach in the first test because the other coaches had Covid.
As for "mentor" what the fuck are you talking about?
Catch up lol
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The main problem is the tight five though. Their clean out work has been terrible for a long time
Spot on - with the exception of Bower. Some good at least has come from this debacle.
@Victor-Meldrew i would have to disagree, Bower was non existent at the breakdown, just like the rest of the tight 5.
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Akira second top tackler for the ABs
Most run metres of any forward on the fieldGood effort after a few weeks out with an injury
Fantastic effort after a long time on the sideline. He and Barrett are good 6 options.
@MrDenmore said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Marshall was saying on that Irish podcast that the NZR can’t afford to pay out all the contracts of the coaching staff. I guess the answer to that is can they afford not to??
Fuck me. Managerial incompetence at it's finest with zero contingency planning.
Get Rieko Ioane back on the left wing. He isn't a centre. Put him out on the wing and leave him there to break Howletts record.
WIll Jordan is the fullback. Need him getting his hands on the pill as much as possible. Jordie at 12 maybe.....
I feel for Sam Cane. I think he is a warrior but he is a shit interviewee and I imagine he is a shit orator in the dressing for geeing a team up. NZ have a wet blanket for a coach and a captain with no charisma. I feel sorry for him. He should never have got the proverbial armband.
You would never see McCaw subbed at 65 mins in a game you are chasing. The Barrett Mo'unga backline buffet is also a shit show. The backline is a revolving door.
Accommodating Cane/Ardie and Beaudy/Mo'unga (on pitch together) has caused loads of systemic problems. It has also delayed cohesion by years. No combos being built up.
I can't figure out the NZ team from week to week. Who are the nailed on starters ? Who are the stalwarts.
Where are the characters?
Even the front row used to have Hayman, the Franks brothers, Mealamu.
Nepo, Ofa, Karl et al. They are insipid. Empty shirts.
Compare them to Furlong, Atonio, Sinkler, Genge, Thongan Thor.
The allblacks front rowers are a bunch of nobodies.
Grace and Blackadders stock rising by the week.
@MrDenmore said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Marshall was saying on that Irish podcast that the NZR can’t afford to pay out all the contracts of the coaching staff. I guess the answer to that is can they afford not to??
By fuck they can, use all the Silverlake money. Get it done.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Is this true? What did he say?
Probably a fuck lot more polite then what were saying on here
Wonder if the likes of Fitzy are getting on the phones to NZR HQ?
Doubt it. He sold his soul a long long time ago.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Is this true? What did he say?
Probably a fuck lot more polite then what were saying on here
Wonder if the likes of Fitzy are getting on the phones to NZR HQ?
Doubt it. He sold his soul a long long time ago.
When he spoke at a Sports Lunch 2-3 years back, he mentioned that he and all the ex-AB Captains were in regular contact with NZR. Sounded like a formal or semi-formal thing.
It is funny. I didn't think the ABs played badly individually at all. Maligned players such as Havili and Akira esp. were quite good. The problem with this AB set up is that it is killing good players. New players like LF are being sacrificed as well. The contrast with the well-coached Ireland is staggering.
@Old-Samurai-Jack some individuals played okay and there was a short period where we seemed in sync. For me the biggest problem is that lack of combination and trust within the group. Are they playing for each other? Do they know what the guy next to them is going to do and adjust or react accordingly?
Rugby is the ultimate team sport in my opinion and yet we aren’t playing like a team. That’s coaching and man management.
@ACT-Crusader My thoughts too. There doesn’t appear to be any sense they are playing for each other, but alongside each other. They’re passive and tentative. There is no cohesion or sense of a shared mission. It’s poor coaching and leadership
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Old-Samurai-Jack some individuals played okay and there was a short period where we seemed in sync. For me the biggest problem is that lack of combination and trust within the group. Are they playing for each other? Do they know what the guy next to them is going to do and adjust or react accordingly?
Rugby is the ultimate team sport in my opinion and yet we aren’t playing like a team. That’s coaching and man management.
Read said they looked like a team who hadn't spent enough time together. He looked almost apologetic when he said it. Sounds like a diplomatic indictment to me
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Although not sure Aus is doing too much better
Don't speak too soon!
@Halfout any opinion on the non red cards for Aki and Porter?
Ireland are clearly better coached and full value for the win.
But I can help but feel refereeing turned the last two tests in a huge way.
@MrDenmore said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader My thoughts too. There doesn’t appear to be any sense they are playing for each other, but alongside each other. They’re passive and tentative. There is no cohesion or sense of a shared mission. It’s poor coaching and leadership
Bang on, was at the match tonight, and that was really obvious. Complete lack of confidence and a sameness about every laboured play. Guys were consistently running onto or with the ball at half or 3/4 pace.
In stark contrast the Irish side knew exactly what they needed to do in every situation. They were fast and precise. Like our team used to be.
I went away disappointed but also feeling the right coaching panel can make a big impact really quickly.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Halfout any opinion on the non red cards for Aki and Porter?
Ireland are clearly better coached and full value for the win.
But I can help but feel refereeing turned the last two tests in a huge way.
My view of those is the same as my view of Ta’avu’s red. I didn’t think he should have got a red, and I don’t think Aki or Porter should have got red. The incidents are being refereed on the basis of slow motion and multiple replays whereas they’re happening in split seconds.
On a more controversial note I believe LF should have got a straight red. He was stupidly reckless and completely out of control, and I think Barnes would have walked him, but Peyper is a poor ref who painted himself into a corner with the LF decision and then had to send Ta’avu off. I believe the action rather than outcome should be the deciding factor.
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Sounded like he'd already been on the beers.
And... some bullshit attempt at replicating the "pain" that he knew had gone down well in the past (Aaron Smith a year or two back?)... but couldn't help throwing in the corporate "yeah, we'll just do better".
I like Ardie, but... yeah, nah.
@Halfout Yeah fair enough.
I didn't think any of Angus, LF, Porter or Aki was a red but just laughed when Barnes downgraded it to a yellow. How can they do it with a straight face after the week before. Not once on any forum, in any media, tv, online or otherwise did I hear the word "absorption tackle" in the lead up to this week. But hey ho, out comes the phrase when its Porters turn for a red. Cipriani got a red for the something similar in the Heineken cup.
As an aside I thought Ofa was a penalty try the week before. I think the refs are getting big stuff wrong too often.
Edited just to add.....Barnes actually says to TMO while talking to him "there is no mitigation". So that in itself is indicative of the fact that it couldn't be downgraded from red to yellow. Yet he still did it anyway. Bizarre.
AB’s just seem to have no imagination in attack and seem to rely on individual skill set rather than well constructed attack. They seemed desperate at times and then skill set let them down with mistakes.
Ireland on the other hand were fantastic with ball in hand, just methodical either off first phase but especially off later phases. It’s actually beautiful rugby to watch.
I am just perplexed that with everything at stake the AB’s turn up and produce such a lame first half. Previously they would turn the heat up and blow teams away. Wallabies in 2019 at Eden Park is a good example.
So where to from here? Unless he falls on his sword Foster isn’t going anywhere for now. If the AB’s loses the Bled I think his position becomes untenable.
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
AB’s just seem to have no imagination in attack and seem to rely on individual skill set rather than well constructed attack. They seemed desperate at times and then skill set let them down with mistakes.
Ireland on the other hand were fantastic with ball in hand, just methodical either off first phase but especially off later phases. It’s actually beautiful rugby to watch.
I am just perplexed that with everything at stake the AB’s turn up and produce such a lame first half. Previously they would turn the heat up and blow teams away. Wallabies in 2019 at Eden Park is a good example.
So where to from here? Unless he falls on his sword Foster isn’t going anywhere for now. If the AB’s loses the Bled I think his position becomes untenable.
It is untenable now. He just lost a series at home. To a very good team, yes. But a team at the END of their season. NZ haven't got better under him. Why wait when everyone can see that it just isn't working? Give the new coach the next year and write off the world cup. It is not like the world cup isn't already written off, is it?
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
AB’s just seem to have no imagination in attack and seem to rely on individual skill set rather than well constructed attack. They seemed desperate at times and then skill set let them down with mistakes.
Ireland on the other hand were fantastic with ball in hand, just methodical either off first phase but especially off later phases. It’s actually beautiful rugby to watch.
I am just perplexed that with everything at stake the AB’s turn up and produce such a lame first half. Previously they would turn the heat up and blow teams away. Wallabies in 2019 at Eden Park is a good example.
So where to from here? Unless he falls on his sword Foster isn’t going anywhere for now. If the AB’s loses the Bled I think his position becomes untenable.
It is untenable now. He just lost a series at home. To a very good team, yes. But a team at the END of their season. NZ haven't got better under him. Why wait when everyone can see that it just isn't working? Give the new coach the next year and write off the world cup. It is not like the world cup isn't already written off, is it?
Yeah im in full agreement. But not only that....he has given loads of players mixed signals and ruined the confidence of others.
Sotutu essentially scrapped. Samisoni dropped for third game. Will Jordan on bench for second test. Sowakula? Patty Tuipolutu usurping more deserving locks. De Groot dropped. Grace ? Jacobsen? Whats the point of Perofeta? What was the point of Ennor? Says Karl T is best scrummaging prop and gives him 20 minutes in 3 tests. Foster is a complete fuckwit.
It's the hokie cokie of selection policies.
RTS comes on at 13 after playing all his games for the Blues at 12.
The whole thing is a jambalaya of a team.
Give me an Umaga Jensen brother at 13 over Ioane. He is a left winger and that's the end of it. HIs opposite number scored in every test.
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
New brains trust for the coaching ticket. How about:
Robertson
Gatland
Schmidt
Best NZ coach ably supported by 2 coaches who know NH rugby better than anyone
@stodders I see what you did there, write a suggested new cartel and then quote it. Positive reinforcement even if it’s coming from yourself….
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
AB’s just seem to have no imagination in attack and seem to rely on individual skill set rather than well constructed attack. They seemed desperate at times and then skill set let them down with mistakes.
Ireland on the other hand were fantastic with ball in hand, just methodical either off first phase but especially off later phases. It’s actually beautiful rugby to watch.
I am just perplexed that with everything at stake the AB’s turn up and produce such a lame first half. Previously they would turn the heat up and blow teams away. Wallabies in 2019 at Eden Park is a good example.
So where to from here? Unless he falls on his sword Foster isn’t going anywhere for now. If the AB’s loses the Bled I think his position becomes untenable.
It is untenable now. He just lost a series at home. To a very good team, yes. But a team at the END of their season. NZ haven't got better under him. Why wait when everyone can see that it just isn't working? Give the new coach the next year and write off the world cup. It is not like the world cup isn't already written off, is it?
Yeah im in full agreement. But not only that....he has given loads of players mixed signals and ruined the confidence of others.
Sotutu essentially scrapped. Samisoni dropped for third game. Will Jordan on bench for second test. Sowakula? Patty Tuipolutu usurping more deserving locks. De Groot dropped. Grace ? Jacobsen? Whats the point of Perofeta? What was the point of Ennor? Says Karl T is best scrummaging prop and gives him 20 minutes in 3 tests. Foster is a complete fuckwit.
It's the hokie cokie of selection policies.
RTS comes on at 13 after playing all his games for the Blues at 12.
The whole thing is a jambalaya of a team.
Give me an Umaga Jensen brother at 13 over Ioane. He is a left winger and that's the end of it. HIs opposite number scored in every test.
And to reply to myself. The Crusaders would beat the Allblacks at the moment.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders I see what you did there, write a suggested new cartel and then quote it. Positive reinforcement even if it’s coming from yourself….
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